It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: *No insurance provided. That sums up who youll be flying behind if you choose to fly on this completely unproven carrier. Every Friday Saturday, and Sunday of the month. Ive written in the past about Breezes controversial approach to hiring flight attendants, which requires being enrolled in college and living in company housing. I'm much more concerned about the pilot pay scale than whatever arrangement Breeze works out with its FAs. Unfortunatetly, US travel and passenger fare remains an uncertainty. Wow, what a depressing indicator of the state of our society with an emptied out middle class that flight attendants are being hired at poverty wages and worthless online "tuition credits.". When I met my wife, she wanted to be a physical therapist. Launching an airline carrier during a pandemic when aviation losses are in the billions, seems to be a tricky business proposition. Expect most Breeze tickets this summer to cost well under $100 one-way When Breeze takes delivery of A220s later this year the airline will offer a first class, and expect those tickets to cost an extra $50-100 one-way Breeze will charge $20 for checked bags on flights under three hours Breeze won't charge change or cancelation fees Free shipping for many products! According to Neeleman: Ive shared my general thoughts on Breeze in the past, though based on these updates I have a few more things to add: Breeze should be launching operations shortly, becoming the second new US airline to launch in a matter of weeks. America is Great! First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six Captains will be paid $117 per hour in year one, and $143 per hour in year six Pilots are only guaranteed pay for 55 hours per month of flying (this is really the worst part, since pilots at most airlines are guaranteed 75+ hours per month), First officers will be paid $55 per hour in year one, and $94 per hour in year six I explained more in my previous posts. They are not hired to be sex symbols and keep men sexually entertained through out the flight; therefore, I could care less how old you are as long as you can save my life in the event of an emergency. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on the same route regardless of what they think of labor rights or real college education. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for 1/400 Gemini Jets Breeze Airways Embraer ERJ-195AR N190BZ "2020s" at the best online prices at eBay! Wow, quite a few idiot comments: 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Go there to get flight time and then move on. You think the fact they've bought a union card somehow empowers them with experience? I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. (the "free" school and housing comes out of their pay just as much as if they got full pay, and paid for the school/housing themselves). Every job would hire people at less than half pay and call them interns if they could get away with it. So, that will be difficult. This is absolutely exploitive. To compare, many carriers guarantee at least 75 hours a month. There are a finite quantity of qualified pilots and the barrier to entry for that work is significant. Most helpful comments ( as chosen by the OMAAT community ). This is absolutely exploitive. Since most flight attendants are women - it also shows how Neeleman views females. Barracks or proper housing and will the company take it out of their paycheque? they are transparent. On the other hand I have a feeling this is going to be an age discrimination lawsuit happening as soon as they figure out no one over the age of 30 is being hired for a flight attendant. Flight attendants as interns is a novel idea on paper but. And which also clearly states that there will be no contract renewal. Sounds like 4 years of indentured servitude! The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Also, Breeze Airways may be a good solution for a pilot who only wants to rack up 55 hours each month with a lighter workload. but if your salary stays low, you cannot build a family. The concept does turn on to be "too good to be true" at least for me, just based on the insurance matter alone. The airline is expected to start selling tickets any day now, and I know many of us are curious about what the Salt Lake City-based carriers first routes will be. Captain will make 3 times this Im surprised David Neeleman would set such low rates for pay. Its all about price. Flew my 4day trip and took a Delta flight departing at 12:25am to MSP and connected to MDW. It's quite likely that Breeze wants the low minimum guarantee of 55 so that they can shrink their capacity in the low-demand months without paying pilots to sit. On the small regional hops, inexperience is almost the default. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be turns out and back same day. Alaska Airlines Business Card Review: 70K Miles & Lufthansas Boeing 787 Business Class: Exactly As Expected. New airline Breeze Airways releases hourly wage numbers. I worked for the now defunct Bar Harbor Airlines in the 80s. We are seeing a rapid deployment of apps and self-service kiosks to replace human workforce that don't bring $15 an hour value. I am over the moon thrilled! Your slip is showing. Fares are still way to high in the industry. I wish more airlines provided housing options. Even if it flies at first, at some point of growth, you won't be able to justify career training. Yes, I am hoping for the best for this start up! Please use the form below to contact our customer service or sales team. The pay scale also looks good. But after all these furloughed guys get hired, who then? The next step from airlines would probably challenge the FAA rule of 1 FA per 50 pax. 1) Against unions: not every employee is good at negotiating. Individuals can't afford premiums. I knew one guy that slept in the crew lounge and wandered DEN between trips. I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Wont fly them with this info. Its schedule, price, loyalty program. I'm glad to see you're excited to join the industry. I think it will succeed as long as they can attract enough flight attendants on an ongoing basis. We don't really know enough at this point. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? Breeze Airways is a new airline that's expected to launch in the US in early 2021. I commuted weekly on Southwest out of MDW got an apartment with 5 other classmates. Procter and Gamble, I'm thinking of you! The number of terrible domestic airlines keeps increasing. Idea sounds interesting but that pay scale and hiring model is trash. Second, the amount of flights they'll even have to offer in their first year or two is relatively small but not surprising for the type of flying they're doingie. Not a bad gig for a college student. There are laws preventing this for a reason. As a pilot with one of the aforementioned regionals, this is an ongoing conversation. may be it is totally moronic. No thank you! No per diem or overnight trips means you can forget about exploring any new cities (not that you could afford to do anything in another city anyway). The airline should do fine, at least up to a certain scale. 2) housing: I am curious what housing? US Air Force C-130H Delaware ANG Gemini Jets GMUSA114 Scale 1:400 IN STOCK. Spent $50 at the Vagabond motel next to the airport. Breeze Airways Hello! They can earn $40,000-$60,000 a year, cut you open, and often perform your entire surgery under the direct and indirect supervision of attending physicians, who are more experienced and make more like $350,000 to $700,000 a year. The low cost price they originally show you is a scam. Sad that people in society know what's best for everybody else and don't want people making their own decisions. Maybe wait and see? It does sound like not much at the moment, but I think the idea behind it, that for a starting Airline and in the pandamic, to only offer 55h minium is understandable. Airfare provided to go home monthly. $36.76. And I think at the moment there are a lot of pilots looking for work. anything less than market rate? Love! I'm sorry, a career flight attendant is absurd. Don't knock it - they may be seeing how they can yield sufficient FA's before they go a different route entirely. @samuel. Why @sruart does the country really need more low wage perminent temporary jobs? Years ago right out of college I worked as a contractor on-site at one of the biggest technology companies in the world. But how does this affect pay for pilots? Have you gone to college? Such a shame. . Copyright 2005-2023 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. 8 hours reserve gets 4 hours of pay $38 per hour. I suppose if there has ever been a time where airlines can get away with hiring pilots for cheap, this is it. Posts: 36,185. Profitability is how many dollars you make your investors, i.e. *Layovers will be rare (mechanical issues, weather), trip planning will be "turns" - out and back same day. 10 years have passed, the salary for new FO's are basically the same but now you need at least 10 year as FO to become a captain. Nevertheless, Breeze Airways is still on track to launch in the US in the first quarter of 2021. Glad I was just in time to work and fly through the good times and happily retired now. The founder of the airline is David Neeleman, the same guy behind JetBlue. Corporate apartments with two bedrooms. For example, I recently wrote about how Breeze is only hiring flight attendants if they enroll full time in college, and live in company housing. With the A220 entering service in early 2022, the company will rapidly expand its network throughout the US and beyond, creating new base opportunities, very attractive lines of flying, very quick upgrades, and excellent quality of life. Filet mignon is perhaps being used intentionally as an example of something you can't buy onboard even a full service airline but which many people would pay for. This seems more in line with what they should be receiving for compensation. At the end of the day your skill set is only worth what the market will pay. There isn't enough information to know whether this is a good deal or a bad deal for the "part timers" potentially taking this work. Oh wait. Not Germany, France, the UK, Japan, no one. My regional got dumped by United and now Im at another regional at the bottom of a seniority list making way less money with bad work rules flying the same tail numbers I did before. It will be interesting to see how it plays out for sure. Why are we encouraging a race to the bottom? 4) $6,000 annually towards my tuition! @Robert. Breeze Airways is a new airline thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021. Of course, I know plenty of poor souls that wont have a choice. It seems their target is laid off pilots from Regionals that either furloughed them or the regionals that went under outright. For those who get hired by Breeze in this first round, I would imagine they'd be happy campers in a few years. What they do at launch and what they do 2 years later can be entirely different. And many of the commenters on here will fill seats when UA is 5x the price on Are all the posts from FAs at other airlines? So Breeze might get a few "interns" but the vast majority of people wanting the job want to stay there their whole working lives. It will be interesting to see how this twist in offering a perpetual/consistently youthful corps of flight attendants at Breeze versus those with (decades of) seniority at other airlines plays out, thats for sure. Even liberal-minded folks who support workers grow to hate the rhetoric surrounding unions and union actions. Eight hours plus. Breeze's schedule is likely to have heavy seasonal flex. Our business address is: Im glad to see youre excited to join the industry. Either talk about what JBs starting rates were when they launched or write this article in 5 years and Ill think differently. I don't think any new business venture in a competitive feel can be termed "exploitative." As in, Gompers? You don't get any insurances. Others might say its borderline exploitative. Does this really qualify as an "internship"? Outside of banner ads published through the Boarding Area network, this compensation does not impact how and where products appear on this site. Minimum wage in Utah is $7.25/hr and cost of living there is pretty low. Kinda like this site makes money signing people up for credit cards. Find Salaries Clear All pilots @AA, UA, DL = NYC cab drivers. Add to that COVID and these poor guys will have NO CHOICE but to fly for these asshats. Ability and respect is earned. And they likely will try to launch with no union, am I right? This combination of low salary and high demands cannot be good for retention. Flying for these rates sets a bad precedent for the rest of the industry. Get real. This same thing happened in Brazil with Azul. 1) Free Housing! I think the FAA needs to look into this. Guess if you cannot beat them, whisper sweet anti-mormon cult. Seems oppressive, so they wont be seeing my business. Lets compare Breezes pilot pay to that of a couple of other airlines: Heres JetBlues Embraer 190 pilot pay scale: JetBlue Embraer 190 pilots get paid way more. Fly for less money and less stress. "fun little add-ons" er surely time-consuming adverts interrupting one's day asking one to pay for something high quality airlines provide as part of their price. I know these FA's will not be scheduled for overnight trips. Spirit flight attendants are generally better than AA and UA. Neeleman hopes to cut costs by designing the airline around technology, including a smartphone app that he hopes will handle all customer interactions until the day of travel, and also generate a lot of ancillary revenue. You and a friend use your travel pass and visit a city. Time away from home and on duty? A new airline that bills itself as "seriously nice" first took to the skies in 2021. Clearly Breeze has already figured out that people who fall into their trap will regret their circumstances; that's why Breeze is also making them sign a 4-year contract. Technology is greatuntil something goes wrong. The average pilot will make more than this. He learned his trade at the knee of Mitt Romney. The pay is horrifically low, though. If you fly anywhere close to a normal schedule, the numbers look brighter. Interesting, @EMBCAPTN. So, that will be difficult. Landing June 2023. "Filet mignon sandwich?" I am a 40 year flight attendant at a legacy carrierand I llove my job. To that end, it's not that much different than regular college life (many students work part time), but you won't burden yourself with huge college debt because those kids won't have to worry about tuition and housing. Most professionals are comfortable with the idea of a starter job, and aren't looking for a father figure in their employer to guide them gently into old age. They understand that our pursuit of Excellence is not a destination, but rather, a journey. I think the deal is too good to be true while others think it's chump change and will never work. save. @Jason -- Sprit is not that profitable, certainly nowhere close to Delta. I can just imagine the sick calls on the weekends. 14% below the national average Job openings matching Flight Attendant in Breeze Airways Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time BDL Hartford, CT 30+ days ago Breeze Airways Flight Attendant - Full Time ORF You can work at a lot of fast food places and now get $15 an hour plus benefits. They are offering an employment model that will appeal to some people and no other airline can/will match it so the cost differences should be sustainable. I'm a 'union guy' for sure. I'm 41. A cult, . They have no employees right now and are relying upon applicants to look at the pay and say "Sounds good enough to me." I think these "internships" are not meant for people looking at a career as a flight attendant, but rather college age kids looking for a unique experience. Housing is expensive. I will never fly them, nor will I encourage anyone to work for them or fly them, until they pay real, market rates. Our model gets smarter over time as more people share salaries on Glassdoor. Can you imagine just getting a text message your flight is canceled and you're rescheduled for 2 days laterand you can't call anyone to change it? Glorious. They are exploiting pilots. You seem to be an angry young man. It sounds to me like I am reading a history book about people who had to work in company housing, buying at the company store - another day older and deeper in debt. How far can this avalanche go where the top 1% get ever greater portions of the wealth, while the rest, well we dont think about them. The starting and long-term salaries offered by Breeze Airway are as follows for First Officers and Captains: First Officers: $55 an hour raise to $94 an hour by the sixth year of employment, Captains: $117 an hour raised to $143 an hour by year six of flying with the company. Expect this trend to accelerate in the next 3-5 years. Reviews from Breeze Airways employees about working as a Flight Attendant at Breeze Airways. Split a very inexpensive room with one or two others and have a fun time. Reactions: Karee. The race to the bottom continues. Sounds pretty abysmal. Claim your Free Employer Profile Website: www.flybreeze.com Headquarters: Cottonwood Heights, UT Size: 501 to 1000 Employees Founded: 2018 Type: Company - Private It's extremely spot on that the second comment on this article was written by a guy whose photo is a selfie in his car while wearing sunglasses. PEOPLExpress anyone? You think this college student focused recruit is the only thing they've planned for beyond the short term? 3) Solid work experience in my chosen industry! New airplane, new business model. Could happen. Im a bit confused. What do you make of these Breeze insights? The end result will be lesser pilots and more accidents in the future. ", but I actually challenge you to schedule surgery with a doctor with only a GED. Death to racist capitalism, Life and good health to the international working class. Interesting model. 3) People as interns/college kids: I would like to have a job for life. thats expected to launch in the US in early 2021, The airline is hiring both pilots and flight attendants, given that its close to launching operations, Breeze hiring pilots with uncompetitive pay. At the end of last month, the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA - AFA United Master Executive Council analyzed Breeze's program. Sounds awfully low especially with a 55-hour minimum pay. If the labor model is as stupid and exploitative as you seem to believe it is, it will fail. @samuel. JetBlue is the only other major US airline to fly Embraer 190/195s, proposed pilot pay is the free market at work, Introduction: Four Times Across The Atlantic. . "The price of food is so high, they should be grateful!". Spirit may have higher "margins", i.e. @Wendy B Gates - Breeze didn't specifically tell me I'm too old, they said I was overqualified. If not the airplane no flight. They can't practice on their Great idea. The industry does need an overall. CORRECTION for the above; should be as follows: - like airlines based in countries that still allow for hiring and firing based on age., Apologies for the error! People forget that people have different life circumstances than their own. This job is not nor intended to be for every young person. ), what most likely happened after you got your paralytic and your anesthesia is some slightly tired, fresh-face resident came in to practice his/her craft on you. Dolts.read the whole article. The $1200 a month is not really a salary, but rather a stipend for a college-like experience while interning as FA part time. Maybe 3 hours. The old adage "Skilled labor isn't cheap - Cheap labor isn't skilled" still applies. You don't get any insurances. Our normal business hours are Monday-Friday 8 a.m. to 5 p.m. (Pacific Time). At those rates, retention will be a huge problem. 1) Why not schedule surgery with a "doctor as an intern.?". $1,200/mo if you have 15 days off and $1,400/mo if only 10. No we need less and need more solid middle class jobs. I sure appreciate it. Or maybe the extension to San Francisco's Oakland Bay Bridge, built entirely in China, shipped across the ocean in pieces, and bolted together by 100% American union labor for a living wage. That's open, unabashed exploitation of skilled labor in an (only temporary) downtown. Classes are 100% online. Just be transparent. Upon arrival, you sat for 5 hours, then returned to LGA. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. I wish you luck in you career and travels. Stay connected with the latest travel, aviation, and credit card news. Sounds very ME3. However, if there's a recovery in airlines and given there was a shortage of pilots before I'm not sure this pay scale is going to last full time. This is a prime example of how capitalism is at the cancer stage in the United States, and rapidly approaching stage 4. Great article !!! May be this a good business model. Need to use the Robinhood model where PAX fly free or get paid to fly, in exchange for all of their data / information which can be sold for revenue generation. As for the FA's..they will definitely be lined up around the block for a job like this with those benies. It's silly to ape outrage when we don't know a lot of the details of the actual work and schedule. A hundred years ago, Kendor would be talking about the joys of working one's way up from being a frontline Pinkerton goon to the guy commanding a whole squad of goons. Finally, Breeze needs to get its financial footing or their employees could all be forced out on the street. I could not afford to live in SFO and couldn't find another crashpad with openings unless I hot racked. Lots of opinion injected here but believe me they do not have a shortage of applications. The comments in here are so disheartening. All rights reserved. The most important sentence in this article is this the only reason to become a pilot at Breeze is if you have no other options. You get paid to sign up more people to pay union dues. Then, when mainline hiring picks-up (as it inevitably will) they'll dump Breeze like a cheap date. Pilots are guaranteed pay of $75 per month. Breeze has started hiring pilots, and its making pay at some regional airlines look lucrative by comparison (and keep in mind pilots often work at regional airlines to gain experience, and eventually get a job at one of the major carriers). MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands What follows then is a vast amount of turnover which, in itself, compromises safety. Heres what we can expect from pricing and fees in general: Breeze is launching operations with Embraer 190/195 aircraft, which the airline is leasing for very little. Neeleman is no doubt a bright guy, having founded several airlines, including JetBlue. They relentlessly play the fear card, citing safety or at times implicitly threatening your safety. MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands It can be very exciting and rewarding, but. the recruiters told me: Or perhaps thats actually the goal that Breeze wants a revolving door of pilots so that it can keep pilots towards the bottom of the pay scale. It is a pity that in this country, health care Hello Travis and thank you for the advice. Neeleman has a track record of success in the industry, so Im curious to see how this venture works out. Think lifeguards. Customer service: Generally speaking, younger hires are friendlier and perkier. Seems like they could be taking advantage of this particular moment in time, and the situation the industry is in. Pros - quick getting on plane and sitting down, a few empty seats, very fast getting luggage back to you Cons - You have to pay extra for any seat you choose. Low fares. the percentage of revenues it gets to keep, but because Spirit makes so little revenue on their high-cost investments they don't add up to much. I liked the idea of them providing housing so I didn't have to scramble to find a crash pad or sign a lease somewhere. Because expanding the monthly rate to 75+ is done so much easier and instant, than hirring another 200 pilots or so. If a pilot gets into a successful start up, the long term benefit to quality of life could be substantial and shouldn't be dismissed out of hand. I already feel bad for the disadvantaged kids that will end up getting wrangled into this to help pay for a couple semesters of college. Attn: Airline Pilot Central This year is unique in pilots employment, but when the majors start hiring again, they will love poaching all the pilots from Breeeze! Breeze Airways is finally making its debut on May 27 just in time for Memorial Day weekend and the start of what will likely be a busy summer season. FO Adam absolutely nailed it. Starting up a new airline in a global pandemic is certainly difficult. I make it to one-on-one video interview and was told I was too old to join program. Monty, I interviewed at Breeze a few months back. Prime Minister/Moderator. He couldn't pay me $1200 to fly them for a month. My airline had a trip that left LGA early in the morning to CMH. Never found out what would happen if you fall below 3.0. I cringe at labeling jobs without limitless potential for professional growth as "dead-end". NB: there's a pilot shortage. You can also reach us at (800) 573-1848. Were going to work hard to make sure this doesnt get off the ground, says Sara Nelson, president of the Association of Flight Attendants-CWA. report. Impressive to see how discussion of new airline business immediately decedents into anti-religious bigotry.
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